From dongarra@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 27 12:05:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id MAA01714; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:05:41 -0500 Received: from ormail.intel.com (ormail.intel.com [134.134.248.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27872; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:09:57 -0500 Received: from ibeam.intel.com (ibeam.jf.intel.com [134.134.208.3]) by ormail.intel.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA11636 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ishark.jf.intel.com by ibeam.intel.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0voubY-000S9CC; Mon, 27 Jan 97 09:12 PST Received: by ishark.jf.intel.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0vouYR-000iCjC; Mon, 27 Jan 97 09:09 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 09:09 PST From: shane@ibeam.jf.intel.com (Shane Story) To: blast-funct@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: subscribe blast-funct From dongarra@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 5 12:34:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id MAA27780; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:34:46 -0500 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21208; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:39:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199702051739.MAA21208@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from slocum.cs.bell-labs.com by dirty; Wed Feb 5 12:36:06 EST 1997 From: "Linda Kaufman" To: blast-funct@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:35:52 +0500 To BLAST Forum delegates I have added a new column to Sven's Tables in his functionality report giving my idea of priority. For the updated proposal look at the BLAS Functionality Proposal on the Blast Forum Webpage (http://www.netlib.org/utk/papers/blast-forum.html). A "0" means that it is in the existing Blas, a "k1" means "Kaufman thinks it is top priority", a "k2" means "Kaufman thinks this is "second priority", etc., I would like comments, criticisms etc., especially of the form "this is to be the basic light version", "this will be derived from the light version". If you want a latex version of the report so you can include your opinions in a similar manner, please write to me at lck@bell-labs.com. Thank you. Linda Kaufman From dongarra@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 21 17:17:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id RAA20873; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:17:31 -0500 Received: from mailgate1.boeing.com ([130.42.28.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20310; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:21:56 -0500 Received: from splinter.boeing.com by mailgate1.boeing.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA20327; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:21:52 -0800 Received: from redwood.rt.cs.boeing.com by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA183123518; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:18:38 -0800 Received: from sulien.network-b by redwood.rt.cs.boeing.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12647; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:22:45 -0800 Received: by sulien.network-b (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA09564; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:21:48 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:21:48 -0800 From: jglewis@redwood.rt.cs.boeing.com (John Lewis 206-865-3510) Message-Id: <199702212221.OAA09564@sulien.network-b> To: blast-funct@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Functionality Still Missing from the BLAS \documentclass[10pt]{article} \begin{document} We are concerned that an important functionality continues to be omitted from the BLAS specification, even in the revised specs of Feb. 4, 1997. The omitted functionality is essentially the computation of the matrix-matrix product \[ A = B \cdot C \] or \[ A = B \cdot C + \alpha A \] in the case where $A$ is symmetric, $B$ and $C$ are not equal, but their product is known to be symmetric. We suspect that, historically, this has been omitted because of the need for adventitious information that ensures that $B \cdot C$ is symmetric. That is certainly a complication. However, the operation can be described as computing one (or the other) triangle of the product. The result is probably not useful (or likely to be computed), except in applications where the product is known to be symmetric. The product is known to be symmetric when $C = (HB)^T$, where $H$ is a symmetric matrix. This appears in two contexts of great importance to us: \begin{itemize} \item {\bf $LDL^T$ or $UDU^T$ factorizations of symmetric indefinite matrices} The core operation appears in two forms, both of the form $BDB^T = BC$. In the first, $B$ is an $n \times 2$ matrix, $H = D$ is a symmetric $2 \times 2$ matrix, so $C = DB^T$ is an $2 \times n$ matrix. This is a symmetric rank 2 modification, but not of the form given in the Feb. 4, 1997 specifications. The second form occurs in partitioned/blocked versions of the factorization. Here, $B$ is an $n \times b$ matrix, $H = D$ is a symmetric $b \times b$ block $2 \times 2$ diagonal matrix, so $C = DB^T$ is an $b \times n$ matrix. In this context, $b$ may be large enough that this is not obviously a ``low'' rank modification, but $b$ is not likely to be huge. \item {\bf preconditioned block symmetric linear system solvers and sparse symmetric generalized eigensolvers}. In this sparse case $B$ is an $b \times n$ dense matrix, $H$ is a symmetric $n \times n$ sparse matrix, $C=HB^T$ is an $n \times b$ dense matrix. In the form $A = B \cdot C$ this is a dense matrix-dense matrix multiply with unusual aspect ratio. The ``blocksize'' $b$ is usually not very large. \end{itemize} Note that in all of these cases, the only important characteristic of $H$ ($D$) is that it is symmetric. Storing the product $C = HB^T$ is a cost we are willing to pay. We really do want to compute $B \cdot C$. In both cases the lack of functionality causes a loss of performance. Symmetry can preserved only at the cost of piecing the result together using vector BLAS or BLAS of lower order than $b$, which is already not very large. The resulting codes usually run slower than they would if direct BLAS support were available. Potential parallelism and high level structure are both obscured. Not preserving symmetry doubles the operation count and storage. The cost is well-illustrated by the effort put into implementing a dense Bunch-Kaufman factorization by the LAPACK project. The performance of the blocked version, which uses the rank $b$ modification described above, was strongly criticized by Linda Kaufman for poor performance with small block sizes. The complexity of the code is unnecessarily high. The unblocked version was rewritten to use rank 1 modifications rather than the rank 2 modification described. The result was a code that ran faster on some vector computers and much slower on cache machine. Through fairly bizarre circumstances, the resulting code happens also to be unstable. This is known to three of the authors of the Feb. 4, 1997 proposal. We will be happy to make a postscript file of these results available to other participants upon request (we don't have a public ftp server). In the sparse case, the lack of this generalized matrix-matrix product means that we roll our own, as do all others who try block versions of the conjugate gradient, SYMMLQ, and symmetric Lanczos algorithms. There is no agreement on coding conventions, making it much less likely that high performance will be obtained across disparate platforms. \vspace{20pt} \noindent John G. Lewis (john.g.lewis@boeing.com) \\ Roger G. Grimes (roger.g.grimes@boeing.com) \\ February 21, 1997 \end{document} -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- John G. Lewis | john.g.lewis@boeing.com Boeing Computer Services | jglewis@cs.washington.edu Mail Stop 7L-22 | tele: (206) 865-3510 P.O. 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